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		<title>By: Olgunka-tl</title>
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		<dc:creator>Olgunka-tl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Aug 2008 08:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Matt Davies</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Sep 2006 14:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Online portfolio is key. This is the digital era and clients expect you to demonstrate your skills - theres no place better than on your personal website. Nice article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Online portfolio is key. This is the digital era and clients expect you to demonstrate your skills &#8211; theres no place better than on your personal website. Nice article.</p>
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		<title>By: Ronalfy</title>
		<link>http://www.devlounge.net/general/you-call-yourself-a-designer/comment-page-1#comment-1831</link>
		<dc:creator>Ronalfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2006 15:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul Boag from &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boagworld.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;boagworld.com&lt;/a&gt; has a good post about learning additional design skills.  
Here is the link to the post: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.boagworld.com/archives/2006/02/investing_in_your_staff.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Investing in your staff&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Boag from <a href="http://www.boagworld.com" rel="nofollow">boagworld.com</a> has a good post about learning additional design skills.<br />
Here is the link to the post: <a href="http://www.boagworld.com/archives/2006/02/investing_in_your_staff.html" rel="nofollow">Investing in your staff</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 20:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good information.

I too agree about learning on your own time, even when you have a job that doesn&#039;t require you to deploy certain skills.

I use my personal time to read new books, explore techniques, etc. that I can apply when given a new project to work on. Not only does it impress the boss, but also helps you build your portfolio/resume for future jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good information.</p>
<p>I too agree about learning on your own time, even when you have a job that doesn&#8217;t require you to deploy certain skills.</p>
<p>I use my personal time to read new books, explore techniques, etc. that I can apply when given a new project to work on. Not only does it impress the boss, but also helps you build your portfolio/resume for future jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: pocketwookie</title>
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		<dc:creator>pocketwookie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 18:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great post. I get students and recent grads asking me all the time how to get freelance work or employmenet. You nailed it with &quot;Learn on your own time.&quot;

Too often they just want to show me what they&#039;ve done for school projects. I ask them what they&#039;ve done in their own time, and 9 out of 10 have nothing to show me. Well, I know for a fact mid to upper level agencies want someone that has enough passion in what they&#039;re doing, that they&#039;re constantly creating. 

I&#039;ve told many students, that even if design wasn&#039;t what I did for a living, I&#039;d still do it. I love it, and it drives me to create. If you don&#039;t have that sort of passion, you&#039;ll end up working in-house for a company that specializes in mass mailings and catalog design. Not the most exciting career, but you&#039;ll get paid well to use the skills you learned in school</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post. I get students and recent grads asking me all the time how to get freelance work or employmenet. You nailed it with &#8220;Learn on your own time.&#8221;</p>
<p>Too often they just want to show me what they&#8217;ve done for school projects. I ask them what they&#8217;ve done in their own time, and 9 out of 10 have nothing to show me. Well, I know for a fact mid to upper level agencies want someone that has enough passion in what they&#8217;re doing, that they&#8217;re constantly creating. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve told many students, that even if design wasn&#8217;t what I did for a living, I&#8217;d still do it. I love it, and it drives me to create. If you don&#8217;t have that sort of passion, you&#8217;ll end up working in-house for a company that specializes in mass mailings and catalog design. Not the most exciting career, but you&#8217;ll get paid well to use the skills you learned in school</p>
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		<title>By: j</title>
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		<dc:creator>j</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Aug 2006 00:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m in need of a web 2.0 design, looking for people to pm me with examples of work and price quote. Thanks

this could be a valid work offer but 7 out of ten when anyone can bid on the project. You have two problems ahead (possible I know)

- the client has no budget or thinks anyone will do it well under the going rates. Or has no prior experience dealing with the real desingers that ask money worth their expertise and time.

You get this:
- very talented people that dont know what to ask and are blinded to the offering, and are willing to do it free or almost free. 

But how will you communicate with each other, you dont get paid so you wont do more than design time. There it goes wrong, you need to give advice to your client and that costs extra time. I recommend to always ask a reasonable price. Your client needs to be reasonable too, and there you need to convince the client what you are worth to his project! And I know one thing or more about it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m in need of a web 2.0 design, looking for people to pm me with examples of work and price quote. Thanks</p>
<p>this could be a valid work offer but 7 out of ten when anyone can bid on the project. You have two problems ahead (possible I know)</p>
<p>- the client has no budget or thinks anyone will do it well under the going rates. Or has no prior experience dealing with the real desingers that ask money worth their expertise and time.</p>
<p>You get this:<br />
- very talented people that dont know what to ask and are blinded to the offering, and are willing to do it free or almost free. </p>
<p>But how will you communicate with each other, you dont get paid so you wont do more than design time. There it goes wrong, you need to give advice to your client and that costs extra time. I recommend to always ask a reasonable price. Your client needs to be reasonable too, and there you need to convince the client what you are worth to his project! And I know one thing or more about it!</p>
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		<title>By: aj</title>
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		<dc:creator>aj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:27:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ronalfy - haha :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ronalfy &#8211; haha <img src='http://www.devlounge.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: being a designer at Am I Famous Now?</title>
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		<dc:creator>being a designer at Am I Famous Now?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 21:05:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] An article which need to be read by many people. A nice addition too Roger&#8217;s post. You think they are too an@l? Check out what Technorati is looking for.    Tags: being designer, css, devlounge, professional, roger johansson, standards, technorati, webdesign, webstandards, whoring, xhtml.  Published by Franky August 26th, 2006 [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] An article which need to be read by many people. A nice addition too Roger&#8217;s post. You think they are too an@l? Check out what Technorati is looking for.    Tags: being designer, css, devlounge, professional, roger johansson, standards, technorati, webdesign, webstandards, whoring, xhtml.  Published by Franky August 26th, 2006 [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ronalfy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronalfy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Aug 2006 20:47:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have FrontPage experience.  Pick me!

Sorry, couldn&#039;t resist :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have FrontPage experience.  Pick me!</p>
<p>Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist <img src='http://www.devlounge.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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